I recently watched an interview with Sam Donaldson and was outraged by his explanation of Donald Trump’s election in 2016. According to him, the voters are good people but they just don’t have the understanding of the facts. What an arrogant proclamation! A perfect example of the “elitist mentality.”

Let me explain Trump’s election. We, the ignorant and basket of deplorables, see the corruption, the pay for play and the crony capitalism of too many of our government leaders. Many become extremely wealthy while in office. They use their power of office to enrich not only themselves but their family members. They make careers out of their “service to the country.” In many instances, they are not there to serve the people who elected them, but to help themselves to whatever benefits them.

Donald Trump was different. He was a successful business man. He knew how to run businesses. He had connections to ordinary people as well as the rich and famous. He also saw the corruption in government and the overreach of government powers. He loves this country and respects the work of the common people. He is not of the elitist mentality. His campaign speeches were positive and uplifting for the country and the people. When he dared to ask, “What the hell do you have to lose?”, that resonated with many who were tired of losing out to the well-connected.

Did that mean we thought he was perfect? Absolutely not! None of us are. If we do not believe that redemption is possible for all of us, we are in deep trouble. His platform of principled government appealed to us. We took a chance and voted for him. He has accomplished amazing things in a very short time in office, in spite of the “resist and impeach” that the media and the Democrats throw at him. He is a threat to the established, entrenched powers that corrupt and that’s why they hate him. Our support of him explains their hate and intolerance of us as well.

 

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Justthinking

Your arrogance is that the majority of the people didn’t vote for Trump. The gerrymandering and archaic Electoral College System is how he became president. The majority didn’t vote for him.

DLJohnson

Justthinking: The electoral college is nothing new. It seemed to be okay for you when your Democrat puppets were elected to the White House. Just sour grapes because your candidate lost.

antiteaparty

The electoral college is obsolete. There is no need for it anymore. When my Democratic puppets were elected to the White House they still won the popular vote. Always remember, Dump is the biggest losing POTUS in American history. By over 3 million votes. Ouch! That still has to sting. Maybe that's why he takes to Twitter to cry about how unfair everyone is to him.

MidwestLife

Well written Karen

bjs12258

Your letter inadvertently proves Sam Donaldson's point. Donald Trump was (and is) not a "successful" businessman. Many of his business have failed and he has a track record of not paying his bills or the workmen who work for him. Everything he said about himself and his business was fiction and continues to be. Why do you think he won't release his taxes? Had connections to ordinary people? Are you kidding? He thought you needed ID to buy groceries. Have you watched any of the YouTube video where he brags about his "superior IQ'? This whack job used to call radio stations pretending to be someone else so he could talk about himself (I am not making this up - you can google it). "Respects the work of the common people"? That is absolutely laughable. Contractors all over the Tri-State area will tell you stories of how Donald Trump stiffed them - and calls his lawyers when someone starts demanding payment (he even has old legal teams chasing him for money - whom he has sued with his new legal teams). There are currently 10 cities where he held rallies that he owes money to - keeping with his M.O. of not paying people who have done work for him. Many people who have known him for 10-20 years (including the guy who helped him write his book "The Art of The Deal") call him a "sociopath" and "pathological liar". Uplifting campaign speeches? Were you uplifted when he mocked the disabled reporter? Were you uplifted when he laughed at the Gold Star Family? Were you uplifted when he said the Mexicans were bad people, criminals and rapists - because I was horrified. He makes up schoolyard names for people he doesn't like. As far as his run in office, he has actually accomplished very little. Agreements with North Korea? They have gone back on everything they promised and are still testing nuclear weapons. Trade wars? NewsFlash - we're not winning that either. Our farmers are going bankrupt at record rates and we've got bins and bins of soybeans that aren't being bought. The deficit is the highest it has ever been. He puts Betsy DeVos in charge of Education, Ben Carlson in charge of housing, gives Ivanka an office in the White House and insists that Ivanka and Jared have top-secret clearance. There are thousands of men and women who have served their entire careers working for our country and he disrespects them every day by ignoring our intelligence community, calling them names, preferring instead to take Putin's word….All the "great people, the best people" he hired have quit on him. Sam Donaldson was exactly right and he still is. If you had done any serious research into the kind of man our President is, you would wonder how anyone at all could vote for him, or still believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

E pluribus

Hi, Ms. Hochstein, May I respectfully request you give us a list of all the things you have in mind when you write “He has accomplished amazing things in a very short time in office…” It would be useful for all of us - from the most adamant NeverTrumpers to the most starry-eyed True Trump Believers. Knowing what is being referred to here would be quite useful, since this is really the foundation of your position. Without these points, our discussion degenerates into a comparison of familiar talking points. You could create a free account and reply right on this page. Thanks.

Jolly Roger

I’ll quote bjs12258 from an earlier discussion: “I was willing to give Trump a chance in the very beginning - but when he made fun of that disabled reporter, and then the Gold Star family, he completely lost me.” So I have the same question as bjs12258 did: What kind of person does that?”

dmilroy

"(Donald Trump's) campaign speeches were positive and uplifting for the country and the people. " Mr. Trump's campaign succeeded by thriving on division. Mr. Trump's aides say, he views discord and unease about cultural, economic and demographic changes as key to his reelection.

TGT2019

Doesnt make it right but He was just following in the footsteps...

dmilroy

Whataboutisms are fallacious. Mr. Trump's 2016 campaign followed in George Wallace's footsteps. Mr. Trump has indicated were in for more of the same.

antiteaparty

Karen is the High Priestess of the Cult of Dump - Hartington Chapter. Karen loves it that Dump enriches himself every time he goes to one of his golf courses with his multitude of staff and secret service officers. She just doesn't want no libtard doing it. The High Priestess also loves it when foreign officials stay at Dump Hotel in Washington in order to earn special favor of POTUS. She just doesn't want no dumbocrat doing it. She is totally cool with Dump awarding himself a huge government contract to host the G7 at his own resort. Totally not enriching himself. She (and Dump) are really mad that the corrupt, dumb libs raised such a stink about it that he finally pulled his resort off the list. The High Priestess has drank all the kool-aid. The members of the Cult absolve all wrongdoing (although they are few) by their Dear Leader.

dmilroy

"Donald Trump was different. He was a successful business man. He knew how to run businesses. He had connections to ordinary people as well as the rich and famous." Karen Hochstein is mistaken, Donald Trump inherited his wealth from his wealthy father. Mr. Trump failed spectacularly at business and defrauded his customers and contractors. https://theweek.com/articles/783976/brief-history-trumps-smalltime-swindles Mr. Trump contempt for immigrants, the children of immigrants, gold star families, and women is well documented. His rich friends include the infamous Jeffery Epstein and Roger Ailes. https://www.vox.com/2018/12/3/18116351/jeffrey-epstein-case-indictment-arrested-trump-clinton

Kate70

Very well done, Karen H. Thank you.

antiteaparty

Whoa, independent (not a Dem, nor a Rep) Kate logs in and comments about how the High Priestess of the Cult of Dump wrote a nice boot-lickin article praising Dear Leader.

MidwestLife

And I'm so glad she did, someone needs to stand up to the masses of people like you. If I had more time, like you computer warriors seem to, I would comment more often.

antiteaparty

Another member of the Cult of Dump pipes in. Cool. He seems to be frustrated by the fact that he just can't find the time to comment in support of Dear Leader. But, don't worry, poor Midwest Life, I can do it for you. It's easy. The playbook has been written and is available for all Cult members. It goes like this: Waaaaa. Waaaaa. The libtards are so mean to Dear Leader. Waaaa. Waaaa. Dear Leader has done nothing wrong. In fact, he has done many glorious things in such a short time (doesn't mention a single specific thing Dump has done to support assertion). Waaaa. Waaaa.

Jolly Roger

★ Hi, Kate, Glad to see you came out from under your bed to get involved again. Is everyone being polite enough for you? Say, do you suppose you or MidwestLife could supply us with a list of all the wonderful things your leader has done for us? Ms. Hochstein forgot to mention them as e Pluribus respectfully and politely pointed out. But I’m not as polite as e Pluribus, and I suspect you two are just uncritical followers who are glad to let others lead the way - even if they can’t do any better job than my favorite sweetheart, DLJohnson, and the wordy, but unspecific Ms. Hochstein.

DLJohnson

Midwestlife and Kate70: Thanks for your posts putting the brain dead E pluribus, Jolly Roger, dmilroy and Antiteaparty in their place. They forget that it was people with their like attitude and thinking that led to Donald Trump running for President

antiteaparty

Oh boy! I've sure been put in my place....

DLJohnson

antiteaparty: You are the best publicity for a Trump campaign win in 2020. Thanks for being such a tool.

Jolly Roger

Maybe DLJohnson will bless with her list of all those good things that Trumpsters promise, but somehow always forget to provide while they call names and cast aspersions. It’s people with her “like attitude” that will help the GOP ease into the history books along with the Federalists and the Whigs. And the good news for all of us? In one to five years, the Judgement at the Ballot Box will render all our fulminations moot.

DLJohnson

Jolly Roger: You know the communists eat their young. Look what happened in the south and west Slavic countries. Your Democratic Socialism will be their next meal. It's more likely that the Democrats will fade into extinction. Remember, the slogan was "go west young man" not "go left young man". It appears that you are surrendering to a Trump win in 2020. Thanks to term limits you won't have to deal with Trump and a 3rd win in 2024. You actually think there is hope for a Democrat in 2024? I will say that you are persistent.

dmilroy

Mr. DLJohnson, your insults are the sign of a weak argument. Attacking people rather than their arguments is irrational.

GBR SD

Karen, are you or any of the President's supporters military families? I f you are please answer me how you can support a man that dodged the draft not once but many times, mocked a gold star family, believes the leader of Russia before his own intelligence agencies, and "stole" money from our military to build his wall. And while you are trying to explain your support for him let me ask you if you are also from an agricultural family? How are your farmer friends and neighbors doing, because "trade wars are easy to win" the price for crops are at all time lows. I will wait for a response and the facts to back up your comments.

DLJohnson

CBR SD: Did you ask the supporters of Clinton their opinion on his avoidance of military service? Or how about Obama's military service? You say stole money from the military? But didn't he use those construction funds to construct national defense infrastructure, the Wall. Let me see, the intelligence agencies had some pretty stellar individuals associated with them; Clapper, Brennan, Comey, Struck, and Page. Every year mother nature does more harm to farmers. What happened to all those American companies that purchase U.S. Farmer's goods? Under Obama didn't a large portion of them move overseas?

dmilroy

DLJohnson, your whataboutisms are false arguments. You can't defend President Trump's conduct so you assert without evidence that everyone is just as corrupt as him.

GBR SD

Hey great job at the trick of "but Obama, but Clinton" very nice try at spinning. But see what you are doing is avoiding the moment at hand and (as usual) making little sense. So what you are saying is we need a wall for national defense? Bwahahahahaha man I hope it stops the Mexican army from invading us. You also must agree with his tariffs and want the farmers to just deal with it because it is ALL mother nature, is that what you are saying? How dizzy do you get from all the spinning you do? Are you tired of having to defend this idiot yet?

bjs12258

I'd like to clarify a few things for my GOP friends: I do not want open borders. I want a working immigration system that treats everyone fairly and gives those who are fleeing their country because of persecution, a reasonable, economical, legal way to come and be a productive member of our society. I think that is something we can all agree on right? I am not a socialist although I'm in favor of the ACA. Like anything that is new, it has its pluses and minuses and definitely needed to be tweaked (maybe even a few times) but should not be scrapped entirely. I don't believe a wall is necessary not will it be effective. Right now it's all about Trump saving face - and that's a poor reason to spend all that money. How about we solve the problem by putting some of those dollars towards fixing the immigration issues I mentioned above? Also, I am not planning on taking anyone's guns away. I am not "pro abortion" but I am "pro choice" in that I don't feel it's my place to make that decision for another woman. I don't want to give everyone a free college education. So I think on these things, my GOP friends and I can agree. Having said that, I don't hate my country (in fact, I love it), but I do believe our current leader is way out of his league. I wanted him to succeed. I wanted him to become a new kind of President by bringing his supposed business acumen to the office. But every single day he shows that he is in way over his head, that he has absolutely no class or manners, no understanding of the way our government work, no respect for those who have made protecting our country their life's work. He is nowhere near the intellectual we all thought him to be, he is the furthest thing from a Christian, and he cares more about enriching his family than he does for protecting our country. He idolizes and panders to despots and dictators while insulting the very people who protect him and his family. And he lies. Man, how he lies. Never seen anything like it. These are the reasons I believe this guy has got to go. I'm all for change and "draining the swamp" but this is the swampiest administration ever and they are blatantly stomping on the constitution every day - and daring us to do something about it. So let's top insutling each other and calling each other names - it doesn't help the issue and solves nothing. Let's try to agree on some important issues and look past the insults and name-calling. I know Trump doesn't make it easy - not does State Run TV - but we're intelligent adults right? We can think for ourselves - I hope.

DLJohnson

It would be better for us all if the Democrats would stop there radical tactics. Changes need to be made, but there has to reasonableness in what we do. Maybe the old saying, "keep our friends close and enemies closer" has more meaning now than ever. You may have wanted him to succeed but the Democrats from day 1 have fought to have him fail. The congress should be working in a positive way with the President to do what is best for America and American citizens. But here we are with the Democrats trying to unseat the President and very little being done for the country. I fear the next year is going to display to world that we are not strong and unified but ripe for the picking.

dmilroy

The power of congress to conduct an impeachment investigation of the President of the United States is not a "radical tactic." It is part of the genius of our Constitution: checks and balances between the three co-equal branches of government and the idea that no one is above the law. Mr. Trump has no one to blame for this impeachment inquiry but himself. He did not need to latch on to phony conspiracy theories about the DNC server been secreted away to Ukraine. He did not need to extort the President of Ukraine to investigate his political opponent. Mr. Trump did need to request the Chinese government investigate Joe Biden on the front lawn of the White House in front of the world press.

DLJohnson

dmilroy: The first information on the Democrats going for the Impeachment of Trump came out 19 minutes after he was sworn into office. Keep your fantasy going that it was about the phone call to the Ukrainian President. People can see through the B.S. you are trying to push.

dmilroy

Mr. DLJohnson, many Democrats including Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi resisted calls for an impeachment inquiry into President Trump's actions even after the obstruction of justice charges laid-out by Special Counsel Mueller. The whistle-blower complaint against President Trump and Mr. Trump's own statements made any resistance to an impeachment inquiry disappear. The facts laid-out in the public testimony is bad for the President and it will only get worse as more of his abuses of power is reveled to the public.

DLJohnson

dmilroy: Mueller did not draw a conclusion on obstruction. Yes, Mueller described facts but drew no conclusion to obstruction on those facts. Attorney General Barr reviewed the facts along with Rosenstein and determined that there was insufficient evidence to conclude that Trump committed the crime of Obstruction.

dmilroy

Mueller detailed 11 issues related to the topic of obstruction of justice. He collected evidence while “memories were fresh and documentary materials were available” and detailed those findings in this report. Then, Mueller added, "The Constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing," or impeachment. Congressional support for at least an impeachment inquiry increased as a result. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/05/29/robert-mueller-statement-fresh-democratic-calls-impeach-trump/1269755001/

Chairman Nadler, “Director Mueller, the president has repeatedly claimed that your report found there was no obstruction and that it completely and totally exonerated him, but that is not what your report said, is it?” “Correct. That is not what the report said,” the former special counsel Robert Mueller replied. Then Nadler proceeded: “The report did not conclude that he did not commit obstruction of justice, is that correct?” “That is correct,” Mueller said. Nadler: “And what about total exoneration? Did you actually totally exonerate the president?” Mueller: “No.” Nadler: “Now, in fact, your report expressly states that it does not exonerate the president.” Mueller: “It does.” Nadler: “Your investigation actually found, ‘multiple acts by the president that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian interference and obstruction investigations.’ Is that correct?” Mueller: “Correct.”

DLJohnson

dmilroy: When did the standard become; "I did not determine that he did not obstruct"? Is that the standard you want to be held to? How does this sound; "I did not determine that dmilroy was the murderer, but I also did not exonerate him? From that do we confer that you are guilty of murder? How does that square with proof beyond a reasonable doubt? Put your own criminal identifier in place of murderer such as; (rapist/child molester). Do you still want that to be the standard of how quilt is determined?

The hatred in your heart has poisoned your mind.

dmilroy

"The hatred in your heart has poisoned your mind." Mr. DLJohnson, If you had a strong argument, then you would have to insult me. Insults are irrational and a sign of a weak argument.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller detailed 11 issues related to the topic of obstruction of justice. He collected evidence while “memories were fresh and documentary materials were available” and detailed those findings in this report. Special Counsel Mueller did not write President Trump did not obstruct justice. He wrote, "The Constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing" the process occurring right now in congress.

Mr. Trump's request that foreign governments investigate his political opponent is a far easier case of abusive of power understand than Special Counsel Mueller's detailed report.

DLJohnson

dmilroy: So Biden's alleged acts of corruption on 2016 are not fair game according to you Democrats. But, anything in Trump's life time is fair game for for attack according to you Democrats.

Compare what Biden bragged about on a video recording to what you claim Trump did in a phone call. Biden's confessed actions were clear cut abuse of power holding a foreign country in a strangle hold over aide.

Need an answer, what are you going to do the evening of the U.S. elections 2020? Are you going to play in traffic, jump off a bridge or pack your bags and leave the country? You don't have to do any of those drastic acts. I'm sure medical science will be able to treat your shattered mind and your shattered heart.

And about the Mueller comment you quoted; "The Constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing" . Is that an admission that appointing him as special counsel was unconstitutional? If he had no power to accuse the sitting President, what was his purpose for wasting millions of taxpayer dollars. Or is that just a thing the Democrats support, wasting taxpayer dollars?

dmilroy

In sharp contrast to President Trump, there is no evidence that Joe Biden or his son were involved in any corruption. Biden didn't abuse his power to personal political gain like Mr. Trump.

Biden's 2015 warning to Ukaine about then prosecutor general Viktor Shokin failures to investigate corruption echoed the concerns expressed by U.S. State Department, International Monetary Fund Managing Director Christine Lagarde and the EU. https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/trump-twists-facts-on-biden-and-ukraine/ You've bought into a disproven Internet hoax.

You double down on insults writting, "I'm sure medical science will be able to treat your shattered mind and your shattered heart." Your petty insults show you're not someone who wants to be taken seriously.

DLJohnson

dmilroy: So, the video of Biden boasting about threatening to withhold aide to the Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor investigating the company his son was receiving money from for being on the board is not evidence of corruption or abuse of power? Wow, wielding a lot of power to demand something be done within 6 hours or loose aide? And better yet, they fired the prosecutor within the 6 hours. That's the definition of quid pro quo.

dmilroy

Mr. DLJohnson, you've been duped by an Internet hoax promoted by President Trump and his personal Lawyer Rudy Guilani. https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/trump-twists-facts-on-biden-and-ukraine/ The public transcripts by Trump administration officials from Trump's impeachment inquiry show the accusations against the Biden's are false. For example: "No evidence was brought forward to support (the allegations against the Bidens)," Volker, Trump's special envoy to Ukraine until two months ago, testified under oath. "I thought they were very self-serving and not credible."

"When Vice President Biden made those representations … he was representing U.S. policy at the time," Volker testified, adding that the policy being executed by Biden "was widely understood internationally to be the right policy." https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-backed-allegations-biden-credible-testified-us-official/story?id=66807238

President Trump's obsession with getting dirt on Joe Biden lead him to believe phony at least two Internet hoaxes which in turn has resulted in an impeachment inquiry for extortion, bribery and abuse of power.

DLJohnson

dmilroy: Are you saying the video of Biden boasting was a hoax/ Are you saying he did not actually say those words on the video? And are you saying it is OK for the Obama administration to determine foreign policy as stated in the Constitution, but it is not OK for President Trump to determine foreign policy for his administration? Don't forget the Logan Act.

In United States v. Curtiss-Wright Export Corp., 299 U.S. 304 (1936), Justice Sutherland, writing for the Court, observed,

[T]he President alone has the power to speak or listen as a representative of the nation. He makes treaties with the advice and consent of the Senate, but he alone negotiates. Into the field of negotiation, the Senate cannot intrude; and Congress itself is powerless to invade it. As Marshall said in his great argument of March 7, 1800, in the House of Representatives, 'The President is the sole organ of the nation in its external relations, and its sole representative with foreign nations.'

It appears that the Congressional Democrats and some subordinates within the executive branch are trying to interfere with those Constitutional powers.

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