This letter is in praise of Paul Harens’ letter “About Standards.” (Press & Dakotan, Sept. 20) He is very correct that it is problematical to use a set of social study standards developed by Hillsdale College of Michigan.

Hillsdale College is known as the college that wants to take over Washington. They are a part of the Christian Nationalist plan to radically Christianize America’s school system one small step at a time. The broad thought is that this country should be subject to Christian law not our current civil laws. Public schools should be ended because they do not put Christ at the center of all teaching. Church attendance would need verification before being allowed to vote. This movement favors a complete national outlawing of abortion, same sex marriage and gayness in general. Radical Christians have worked to obtain PhDs at major universities so that they can pass off their credentials and beliefs as being true science. Their agenda may seem farfetched, but they are in for the long run just as they were with abortion.

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OffTheFence

👍👍👍

Larry Skow

When one goes in and researches this Social Studies program from very start forward. It has been controversial from start or at least after the start. So why not scrap the whole program--it simply is designed to promote Social Welfare. Religion/Government need to stay separate. Our founding fathers knew this as they had lived under state church, and it is not kind. Never confuse Christianity and todays twisted religion in church's.

QgopFromnowon

The Storm is coming, Mr. Magnuson!

WWG1WGA

E pluribus

Dominionism: (also known as Dominion theology) is a Christian political ideology that seeks to institute a nation which is governed by Christians and based on their understanding of biblical law.

I only recently learned the meaning of this concept. But its reality has long been spreading its influence over our lives. And it’s much broader than Kristi Noem’s South Dakota.

Soon we’ll see the Supreme Court with its Christian Nationalist majority coming after contraception and g*ay marriage and ruling for the right of Christians to discriminate against anyone they deem unworthy in the eyes of their god.

The ballot box is the only recourse the rest of us may have to fight this. And even this avenue may be closing.

I truly hope not…

Larry Skow

I do agree with you that it is not good policy. Here a thought. Why not let the teachers of the state write the curriculum? Keep politicians out of it. But PLEDGE OF ALLEGINCE needs to be brought back. it will remind one we are a REPUBLIC--not a democracy. democracy needs to die.

SoDakD

Larry, yes, we agree once more. Let educators handle this.

But I’ve never understood your preoccupation with the definition of our American version of a “Republic.”

Our Founders took their inspiration from the “short-lived” (@500 years) Roman Republic which morphed into the longer-lasting (@1000 years) despotic Roman Empire.

(This seems like the journey we’re on in a more collapsed time frame. But that’s another discussion.)

Anyway, what’s the point you're trying to make with your Republic vs. democracy contrast?

The United States exemplifies a varied nature of a constitutional REPUBLIC - a country where some decisions (often local) are made by direct DEMOCRATIC processes, while others (often federal) are made by DEMOCRATICALLY elected representatives acting as part of our American REPUBLIC.

So why does “democracy need to die”? Doesn’t it seem to be an integral part of our Republic?

Again, what is your point here? Let’s see if we can agree one more time.

Larry Skow

SoDakD. Actually, USA is both A republic and democracy It is We The People that hold the ultimate power--not the government. We The People! We are not a Direct Democracy--but a Representative Democracy. No where does the U.S Constitution ever use the word democracy. We elect representatives to make decisions for us. Now then we are a Republic because our elected Representatives exercise political power. Well, most of the time now anyway. Corruption with large corporations/for entities I.E lobbying etc. are exercising way too much power with money buying political influence. Something founding fathers couldn't foresee. But in the end SoDakD--both the terms have considerable overlap. But huge difference remains between Direct Democracy and Representative Democracy--which is what the USA is--but people want a Direct which we are not. Plus, we were originally set up that the States would attend to their state citizen's needs. Not the Federals. But again, money comes into play. So, this idea of Direct Democracy needs to die. But SoDakD. I have said and repeated many times in my comments that it is not good for any party to hold power in a state--South Dakota and other states/ large cities have had one party in control way too long--that is not good. Both GOP/Democrats have had that. But look at the facts under democrat control crime is rampant but it is spreading out. Denver is unsafe hole and spreading. our crime--violent crime in Greeley is up 18% and getting worse every day. One reason? Drugs--that why. i don't mean Pot but hard drugs. O.D deaths are climbing daily. Democrat controlled border has opened the gates. China is manufacturing them Cartels are running them. Biden and idiots are allowing human/drug smuggling putting Billions into cartel's pockets. Cartels are now running Mexico and it is spreading. Why do Democrats in general allow this? Democrats just rejected stopping insider trading by congress member. Now then that should have been stopped 50 years ago--and GOP has had its chances to halt it as well--and done nothing. We need a desperate top to bottom overhaul of system--but we have no strong leaders in either the GOP or Democrats to do this. Was Trump right 100% of the time? NO-- but he had good intent in his heart! We have long had term limits on everything but Congress--past due time to change that--maybe even down to how long any one can be in power at state federal level in a Party affiliation. They are "groomers". Time to stop giving away or printing money as well! Inflation has taken over $4000 a year away from you. Inflation is Government controlled and is direct response to policy. Did you or others have $4000 to lose out of income? SoDakD it really not fun arguing with your stupidity. You won't beat me--maybe outlast me--but not beat me. I shed remarks like water off ducks back. I have seen some of the despot holes of other countries--will be going to another soon as I took a contract for job last week in a not so good part of the world. Was nice place until the 90's. Would have left 2 months ago but I had broken leg that needed healed up. But there is your explanation of why direct democracy needs to die. Read all the founding paperwork and find the word DEMOCRACY in any of it. If you do find the word democracy in them, I will kiss your bare backside on courthouse steps. Until then bow your head and give thanks to GOOD OLD USA A REPUBLIC and that you live here.

SoDakD

So your declaration that “democracy needs to die” is hyperbole?

Because when you say, “USA is both a republic and a democracy” we find ourselves in complete agreement.

How awkward.

Yes, a true 100% representative democracy in a country of 330,000,00 people is impossible.

But who is pushing for that? Anyone?

You must think SOMEONE is calling for this to return to this topic as frequently as you do.

Gimmy A. Breake

🔴 Mr. SoDak don’t be puzzled.

Conflictual needs can’t be muzzled.

Black is white & left is right.

Larry simply needs a fight.

Down is up in the fourth dimension.

What a way to get attention. 🔴

SoDakD

Larry, I hope you’ll answer my previous question.

But while we’re having a (mostly) measured dialogue, I’m also wondering whether you still maintain that Putin will defeat Biden’s efforts to unite our NATO allies and support the Ukrainians to win victory over the Russians?

Do you have a (mostly) non-snarky response?

Jolly Roger

Seems to me that Putin’s accumulating defeats in his floundering, failing conquest of Ukraine is Larry’s humiliation as well.

Who can forget Mr. Scow’s certain confidence that Putin is winning this war.

It’s bad enough that Larry joins Trumpsters in cheering on America's mortal enemy.

But his strongman, Putin, is revealed as a pathetic loser.

Sort of like his Dear Leader, Trump.

Sort of like Larry himself…

VoiceforAll

Nope, wrong again democrats, Noem has not stopped acting upon the voter's wishes, she has not taken any action on the democrats political and socialist agenda and has pushed back and not let you get your way like you are in other democratically run states. Noem is doing her job, she is representing the MAJORITY of how South Dakotan's feel and what they believe. Your lies, attacks and hate about Noem continue, just like what Biden and the other democrats do in this country. Noem is doing an awesome representing the conservative values that has made this state one of the best states to live in. You democrats are just mad that we aren't in debt, that our crime is low, that our taxes are low, that are children have rights, that our parents have rights, that we aren't pushing CRT down our children's throats, that we aren't pushing to have our children go through gender reassignment surgeries, that we have gun rights, that we have FREEDOM!!!!!!!!! It makes all you democrats mad, you want to be like Illinois, you want to be like California, you love those states, you love that those people have some of the worst states in our country, and you can't stand the fact that you can't CONTROL we the people, that you can't CONTROL our governor, that you can't CONTROL those that represent us. You aren't happy that the people of South Dakota are happy, and that says a lot about the democratic party. Do you wonder why the number of registered democratic voters is down and the number of republican voters is going up in our state? People don't like what your party is doing to our state and country, pretty simple if you ask me. And if you don't like it, leave, see ya, there are many democratic run states that will take your tax dollars, take your abortions, take your guns, take your freedoms, take your rights, require you to get your "vaccines", force you to wear a mask, take your illegal immigrants, take your safety. Go, they'd love to have you join them in their misery.

Old Hugh

From THE WALL STREET JOURNAL:

🔲Trump’s ‘Death Wish’ Rhetoric🔲

(His latest tirade against Mitch McConnell courts potential violence.)

“We live in a polarized political age when rabid partisans don’t need provocation to resort to violence. This makes Donald Trump’s latest verbal assault against Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell all the more reckless.

Mr. Trump let loose another tirade against the GOP Senate leader on Friday. “Is McConnell approving all of these Trillions of Dollars worth of Democrat sponsored Bills, without even the slightest bit of negotiation, because he hates Donald J. Trump, and he knows I am strongly opposed to them, or is he doing it because he believes in the Fake and Highly Destructive Green New Deal, and is willing to take the Country down with him?” Mr. Trump wrote on Truth Social.

“In any event, either reason is unacceptable. He has a DEATH WISH. Must immediately seek help and advise from his China loving wife, Coco Chow!” he added.

This continues Mr. Trump’s attacks on Elaine Chao, Mr. McConnell’s wife, for being Chinese-American. Her real offense was resigning as transportation secretary after Mr. Trump’s disgraceful behavior on Jan. 6. His feud with Mr. McConnell is also personal, as the Kentucky Senator condemned Mr. Trump’s Jan. 6 actions and hasn’t spoken to him since”

Old Hugh

From THE WASHINGTON EXAMINER:

🔲Former Trump staffer denounces him for 'despicable' attacks on Elaine Chao🔲

“Alyssa Farah Griffin, a political commentator and onetime White House director of strategic communications for Donald Trump, denounced the former president for his attacks on Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) and his wife, claiming “he is not even trying to hide the racism at this point.”

Her comments come after Trump issued his latest attack against McConnell on Friday, saying that the senator "has a death wish" after he backed a bill that the Democrats introduced. The former president also took aim at McConnell’s wife Elaine Chao, who was Trump's transportation secretary before she resigned in the aftermath of the Jan. 6 riot, calling her “his China loving wife, Coco Chow!” Chao was born in Taipei, Taiwan.”

Old Hugh

From THE NEW YORK TIMES:

🔲Meeting in Brussels Signifies a Turning Point for Allies Arming Ukraine🔲

“In a sign that the United States and its allies believe that the fighting in Ukraine will last years, military officials from more than 40 countries gathered at NATO’s headquarters in Brussels on Wednesday to discuss how their governments can ramp up production of arms and ammunition.

If allies know that they will be able to work together to manufacture more weapons for themselves, the official said, it should give them confidence to continue supporting Ukraine in the coming months.”

Jolly Roger

Seems to me that Putin’s accumulating defeats in his floundering, failing conquest of Ukraine is Larry’s humiliation as well.

Who can forget Mr. Scow’s certain confidence that Putin is winning this war.

It’s bad enough that Larry joins Trumpsters in cheering on America's mortal enemy.

But his strongman, Putin, is revealed as a pathetic loser.

Sort of like his Dear Leader, Trump.

Sort of like Larry himself…

VoiceforAll

Democrats won't be happy until all our cities are like Chicago - "Chicago saw another bloody weekend, with 34 people shot, including a 3-year-old boy fatally shot in an officer-involved shooting that left a suspect dead. "We've seen children shot across this city in ridiculous numbers," Chicago Police Deputy Chief Larry Snelling said, according to WLS. "When did we become a society where we stop caring about the children?"" - Answer, when the democrats took control.

Or maybe they would like us to be like New York - "NYC police seek 6 'witnesses' in brutal murder, dismemberment of Brooklyn woman found stuffed into suitcases"

Or maybe Iran, since the Biden regime loves lockdowns and suppression of anyone that doesn't go along with the democratic party - "‘It’s A Revolution Now’: Iran Regime Murdering Scores Of Protesters: Reports Say"

But keeping closer to home, this is what they are driving our children to - "A Virginia pro-trans group with Democratic ties says it will help gender-confused students leave their families and “rehome” them with new “homosexual friendly” guardians instead"

And the extremist democrats continue - "Top Democrat Official: Parents Will Kill Kids If Schools Don’t Hide Kid’s Gender Identity From Parents"

This is what we get just over the weekend in news headlines, guaranteed not to be on CNN or MSNBC, but people that really care what is happening in their country are seeing it and watching it. For those like the rest of the democratic party, it's business as usual, how low can you take America. Oh, and old hugh, Trump isn't president any longer, wake up, no one cares but a very few of people of your ilk.

SoDakD

So you're doing a reprise of “Nobody cares, Voice”?

A whole lot of people care. And it’s one of the driving factors in our upcoming midterms. I think it’s time to lay that one to rest, don’t you think?

Especially if it happens to help cost you the Senate.

Though I suppose I should be happy if you're representative of Trumpsters who underestimate this…

And so what if Trump isn’t President any longer? You can repeat this mantra as often as you like, but he’s still the undisputed leader of your party and your likely candidate in 2024.

And after his failed insurrection and his stealing of classified documents we clearly know what he’s capable of.

Old Hugh

🤣”Oh, and old hugh, Trump isn't president any longer, wake up, no one cares but a very few of people of your ilk.”🤣

From THE HILL:

🔲More than half of voters think Trump should face indictment over Jan. 6: poll🔲

“More than half of U.S. voters say former President Trump should face criminal charges for his role in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol, according to a new Harvard CAPS-Harris poll”

VoiceforAll

What are the democrats trying to cover? Do any of you ever watch a Joe Biden speech, any of you? Guessing not since you all think he is some kind of great leader - "CNN decided not to air President Joe Biden’s gaffe last week in which he called for a congresswoman to give her praise. On Wednesday, Biden delivered a speech at the White House Conference on Hunger, Nutrition, and Health in Washington, D.C. He recognized those involved in the effort, including Rep. Jackie Walorski (R-IN). In his shout-outs, Biden said: “Jackie, are you here? Where’s Jackie? She must not be here.” She wasn’t there because Walorski is dead. She died, along with three others, in a head-on car crash on August 3. CNN did not report the story on its broadcasts. “CNN completely ignored it on the air, did run a couple of online articles,” Fox News media reporter Howard Kurtz said during a panel discussion on “MediaBuzz Sunday.” “There was no mention of this on MSNBC, and there was no mention of this on the air on CNN,” he said. Then Kurtz posited an interesting scenario: “Imagine if it had been Donald Trump.” - Can you imagine if it were Donald Trump? Boy, old hugh and SoDakD would be reporting on this for like 20 months, kind of like Jan. 6th, right old hugh? And CNN and MSNBC did not do one single story it, hmmm, seems odd doesn't it? What are you democrats afraid of? Couldn't be you have a president that has failed not only running our country but mentally and physically as well? Used to be called elder abuse, but democrats don't see it that way I guess, poor Joey, being put out in front of the world like a prop to do other people's bidding, how sad for us as we have to suffer under his reign.

Friedrich Farmer

Voice, since you’re talking about gaffes and memory lapses again this seems like a good time for me - one more time - to follow up by reposting my question.

My repetition follows your repetition.

Granted that Biden does say some strange things and sometimes finds himself on the wrong side of a fact check, I wonder what you think about Trump saying he can declassify top secret documents just by thinking?

Seems like he crossed the line between misinformation and untethered la la land make-believe.

Magical Thinking some folks are calling it. What would you call it?

This seems especially crazy since his lawyers are avoiding saying that ANY documents have been declassified by him. Using mental telepathy or otherwise.

And of course, who can forget his suggestion that injecting bleach could be the cure for Covid.

These aren’t just gaffes or memory lapses. They’re bat sh*t crazy.

VoiceforAll

Once again old hugh, why don't you talk about something that matters, and even the P&D can't get away from it, still using a poll about Jan. 6th, understand the democrats have nothing else to talk about, but really, 21 months later? I have listed them before but you have this infatuation with Trump, again, not president if you can't remember (I know you want to forget Biden isn't president, I get that). What are your comments on the open southern border bleeding 8,000 illegal immigrants a day into our country, fentanyl overdoses at over 300 people a day where 90% of fentanyl comes across Biden's open border? How about the record high prices for gas, food, rent, cars, clothes, pretty much everything we buy nowadays? How about the democrats inflation, the democrats recession? How about record high crime rates in our country? How about a foreign policy that has done absolutely nothing except allow a continuation of a war that Biden could have stopped before it started? How about Biden's cut and run from Afghanistan and all his broken promises to those he left behind? How about food shortages? How about CRT being shoved down our children's throats? How about transgender reassignment being pushed on our children and the fight that democrats are putting up so that parents can't be notified of your schools doing this? Anything old hugh? Anything along those lines you are willing to discuss? How about your president and him getting more senile every day? How about a VP that thinks aid to Florida hurricane victims should be distributed based on race? Let's go old hugh, tell me how great things are in America under the democrats, tell me how great of a job Biden and his policies are doing, how successful people have gotten under Biden, how much more money we all have, how many more freedoms we all have, how much safer we all are under Biden, and try writing something doesn't blame someone or some other country for all of the democrats failures, how about taking one little piece of responsibility, you democrats have been running a country almost two years now, isn't it about time? You have gotten to be just like SoDakD, you can't find a single good thing to say about Biden and the democrats so all you continue to talk about is Trump and Jan. 6th, just like CNN and MSNBC. Have to admit, you are a good democrat as you just keep on repeating their words, you keep towing the company line regardless of how big a lie it is. Oh, and you want to talk about all the lies that you and your party told during the "pandemic"? You know them all but you can't defend a single one of them without blaming someone else, mostly Trump. Keep thinking people care about Jan. 6th, I know you believe that is what voters are going to be voting on in a few weeks, not a single one of them will be thinking at all thinking about how they are going to be able to afford food and heat for their homes this winter under the Biden administration. Please, list another poll old hugh, list 10 polls old hugh, blaming someone else and poll results, it's all you and your party have, how sad.

Old Hugh

Trump is the gift to Democrats that keeps on giving….

From THE INSIDER”

🔲Ex-GOP strategist slams Trump for 'assassination instructions' against McConnell: 'It's beyond the pale. Every Republican ought to be able to say so.'🔲

“Conservative pundit Scott Jennings said "every Republican" should be able to disavow former President Donald Trump's "assassination instructions" against Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.

Jennings, a former GOP advisor and McConnell aide, was referring to a Truth Social post from October 1, in which Trump escalated his long-standing feud with the Kentucky senator.

Trump accused McConnell of opposing him because he has a "death wish." Trump also leveled a racially charged insult at McConnell's wife, Elaine Chao, the transportation secretary for the Trump administration, calling her McConnell's "China loving wife, Coco Chow."

Trump's salvo came after McConnell voiced support for changing the way Congress counts electoral votes.

In an appearance on CNN on Sunday, Jennings said Trump's post contained "assassination instructions" directed at McConnell and "blatant racism" against Chao.”

SoDakD

Here we go again. “Biden could have stopped Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.”

Do you have anything better than Larrry’s namby pamby “cold hard line in the sand”?

And while my reading of the Fox News website today shows NO mention of the war in Ukraine, it looks like the Biden Administration’s leadership of our NATO allies is enabling the Ukrainians to push Trumpsers’ pal Putin and his Russian army into humiliating retreat.

Check out the INSTITUTE FOR THE STUDY OF WAR website if you care to know.

The future of a rules based world order is being decided. You might want to check it out.

Especially since this will be sending a message to the Chinese and the Taiwanese if we can stop the Russians.

VoiceforAll

Hey old hugh, what do you remember about 2020? Outside of the fact that gas was under $2 a gallon, inflation was at 1.4% (now over 8% if you haven't heard), we weren't in a recession, we had a closed southern border, our young girls and women didn't have to use the same bathrooms and locker rooms as grown men, we could afford to buy food and clothes and we could afford to buy houses and pay rent. We could afford to pay our electricity bills, we could afford to pay for heat to keep warm in the winter. Remember being able to say anything without being censored, without the FBI and DOJ coming to arrest you? Remember when politicians could support a cause without being investigated by a presidents FBI and DOJ? Remember our children going to school without being told they are racists and should hate anyone that is not the same color as them and that they weren't transgender and/or homosexual? Remember those days old hugh? Of course you don't, because you don't want to. Remember being able to be proud of your country and being proud to stand up and sing the Star Spangled Banner and Pledge of Allegiance without being harassed and threatened and mocked? Remember when the president of our own country didn't call half the people he represents threats and a danger to democracy? Remember being able to put money into a savings account? Remember not having to be told how good we have it when the country crumbles down around you? Yep, that was all just a couple years ago old hugh, remember? Look at us now, in less than 2 years, look at our country, look at what the people in this country are going through, look at what our children are going through and having to deal with, in just two short years, look at what the democratic party has done to all of us, done to our country, and you are proud of this?

Jolly Roger

Donald Trump posted on his social media site, “The Russia/Ukraine catastrophe should NEVER have happened, and would definitely not have happened if I were President.”

Of course, he’s right. For once he’s telling us the truth.

He supported Putin throughout his presidency. And to prove it, he appeared with Putin in front of the entire world to publicly side with him against our own intelligence community.

This is why Voice and his Trumpster support our worst enemy, Putin and his Russians.

So if Trump were again President, the Trumpsters would again be supporting Putin. We would definitely NOT be helping Ukraine anymore.

So if/when the Trumpsters regain power we will likely abandon the Ukrainians as so many of his faithful followers are clamoring for.

SoDakD

Voice, once again you're telling us, “We all forget how good we had it under Trump.”

On the contrary, YOU have forgotten the runaway pandemic (400,000 dead Americans) that Trump tried to “downplay, according to his own recorded admission and the consequent economic collapse Trump left us with.

As he left office, according to FactCheck.org, “The economy lost 2.9 million jobs. The unemployment rate increased to 6.3%.

How many times do you suppose you’ll have to repeat this lie before it magically becomes true?

VoiceforAll

And in the democrats eyes, if you don't support them, they attack you, more evidence (as if we needed more, right?) - "Actor and screenwriter Billy Eichner is upset after Bros underperformed in its opening box-office weekend, saying, “Straight people, especially in certain parts of the country, just didn’t show up.” The film, distributed by Universal, is being touted as the first LGBT romance comedy to receive a major release. In August at the MTV Video Music Awards, Eichner encouraged everyone to show up for the film’s opening weekend “to show all the homophobes like Clarence Thomas and all the homophobes on the Supreme Court that we want g*y love stories.” - Well there you have it, and people like him and so many other democrats will run around the country talking about how awful republicans are, how they are destroying the country, but when a movie tanks, again, like a good democrat, they take no responsibility, they blame every republican in the country for not bowing down and supporting their liberal cause. Do you ever wonder why that is folks? Why are people not supporting these movies, these woke businesses? It's because we don't have to, we don't have to give them our hard earned money so they can continue to push their liberal agendas. It's these entitled, hate filled, democrats that as soon as someone disagrees, someone doesn't support them, they are labeled, they are attacked, they are minimized, by your whole party. And you all think democrats are going to win in November, right?

Oh and answer me this, why aren't all your democratic candidates begging to have Joe Biden and Kamala stand at their sides during their campaign events? If Joe and Kamala are doing such a great job running our country, surely having their support would be a good thing, wouldn't it? Maybe it's because they all see a few dozen people going to their campaign events, when you see thousands and thousands attending, oh let's say, Donald Trump rallies. Let's see dozens supporting the current president (it's really a sad sight if you ever go and look at them), and thousands and thousands supporting a past president, hmm, why would that ever be democrats? Let's hear your lies, oops, I mean comments.

Old Hugh

More of the gift that keeps on giving to Democrats…

From THE WALL STREET JOURNAL EDITORIAL of 10/2/22:

🔲Trump’s ‘Death Wish’ Rhetoric🔲

“Mr. Trump let loose an­other tirade against the GOP Sen­ate leader on Fri­day.

“He [Senator McConnell] has a DEATH WISH. Must im­me­di­ately seek help and ad­vise from his China-lov­ing wife, Coco Chow!” he added.

The “death wish” rhetoric is ugly even by Mr. Trump’s stan­dards and de­serves to be condemned. Mr. Trump’s apol­o­gists claim he merely meant Mr. Mc­Connell has a po­lit­i­cal death wish, but that isn’t what he wrote.

It’s all too easy to imag­ine some fa­natic tak­ing Mr. Trump se­ri­ously and lit­er­ally, and at­tempt­ing to kill Mr. Mc­Connell.

Many sup­port­ers took Mr. Trump’s rhetoric about for­mer Vice Pres­i­dent Mike Pence all too se­riously on Jan. 6.

SoDakD

Actually I rather like the position I’m in, Voice.

At the start of the Biden administration I was prepared for the Republicans to win back the House and the Senate in the midterms.

After all that’s what historically usually happens.

But then it became clear that Trump was going to be front and center, picking his weak but loyal candidates and focusing all the attention on himself and his legal troubles.

Half of the country thinks he should face criminal charges for his role in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.

And every day he’s in the news reminding them that a vote for a Republican is really a vote for the Party of Trump.

The overturning of Roe v. Wade probably is in play here, but for whatever the reasons, the polls now seem to show that Republicans may not win the Senate.

I won’t count on this. But if this does happen, of course, I’ll be very happy. If it doesn’t, then at least Biden has the veto pen for another two years.

You, however, speak as if you're confidently certain that once voters are in the voting booth they’ll vote for the Republicans. We’ll see.

I’d be less than truthful if I didn't confess to anticipating a bit of schadenfreude contemplating your disappointment if they don’t.

VoiceforAll

And more evidence the left and the radicals of this country are using the Biden administration to police, censor and silence anyone that goes against their extremist, leftist agenda, it is real, it is happening, remember when our country was free and you could oppose the left without being threatened and intimidated, both things of socialists countries, and it is happening right here in America, all under the watchful eyes of Biden and the democratic party - "Three major American medical institutions wrote a letter to the Biden administration this week urging it to go after major figures online who are promoting content that exposes some of the radical gender surgeries that are being offered at some places across the country." Yep, as soon as you oppose the left, they will turn on you, they will attack you, they will harass you, until you are silenced, until you are unable to do what you think is right, this is the democratic party of America, and it only keeps getting worse and worse. Recession, censorship, loss of freedoms, control, power, attacks, threats, labeling, relying totally on the government for all your needs, taxing without representation, spending without accountability, all being done by the current administration.

Old Hugh

From South Dakota News Watch:

🔲Majority of South Dakotans oppose total ban on abortion and want voters, not lawmakers, to make the rules🔲

“A majority of South Dakotans believe the state’s abortion ban is too restrictive and feel that voters should determine the legality of abortion access rather than the state Legislature, according to a statewide poll sponsored by South Dakota News Watch.

The poll of 500 registered voters showed that a majority (57%) of respondents support allowing legal access to abortion medications in the state, including 42% who “strongly support” such access. Nearly two-thirds (65%) said they support having a statewide referendum to determine South Dakota’s laws regarding reproductive rights.

More than three-fourths (76%) of those polled support allowing legal abortion in cases of rape and incest, an exception not currently allowed under South Dakota’s laws, among the most restrictive in the nation following the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe vs. Wade in June.”

Old Hugh

From South Dakota News Watch:

🔲In contrast to some elected leaders, poll shows S.D. voters support more gun restrictions🔲

“While the governor and Republican-led Legislature push to expand access to firearms in South Dakota, a majority of voters favors restrictions such as waiting periods and age limits for some gun purchases, according to a statewide poll co-sponsored by South Dakota News Watch.

The poll of 500 registered voters showed that 60% of respondents support establishing a two-week waiting period to buy an AR-15 – a semi-automatic rifle originally designed for military use – and 54% support a minimum age of 21 for AR-15 purchases.

There is less agreement on gun sales in general, with 41% saying South Dakota’s laws should be stricter and 47% saying that they should stay the same.

Only 11% responded that laws governing gun sales in the state should make firearms easier to acquire.”

Chicken Little

The sky is falling‼️ The sky is falling‼️ The sky is falling‼️

Chicken Little

The sky is falling‼️ The sky is falling‼️ The sky is falling‼️

Chicken Little

The sky is falling‼️ The sky is falling‼️ The sky is falling‼️

VoiceforAll

Maybe some day when the republicans have control of this completely messed up country of ours, we can get back to educating our children and teaching them math, science and history instead of spending all their time being confused because adults are abusing them by doing things like this - "San Francisco Unified School District has released a guidebook for teachers to facilitate secret child sexual transitions and to let students use the pronoun "it" at school. According to documents obtained from a whistleblower, in 2021 the district celebrated "International Pronouns Day," teaching students that they can adopt a wide range of genders and sexual identities. In elementary school, the district tells students that they may not "feel like a boy OR a girl" and can identify as "non-binary" and use "they" pronouns. For secondary students, the district teaches that they can be part of the "bisexual umbrella" and identify as "fluid," "pansexual," "omnisexual," "hetero-, homo-, lesbi-curious," "hetero-, homo-, lesbi-flexible," and "q*eer." - I always find it odd that democrats are the first one's to complain about education in America but then they make sure all our children are spending valuable learning time on teaching them about being transgender or homosexuals. Ever wonder why democrats continue this form of abuse on our children? Ever wonder why democrats insist on doing all of this without parents permission? The democrats have becoming the largest abusers of our children in our country, and some how they are proud of themselves for doing this.

TruthFairy605

Voice, it puzzles me that you Republicans - who are supposed to believe in state’s rights - keep complaining about what you claim is happening in other states.

But apparently this is not happening here in SD. Is it? Your angst would make more sense if it were.

But it seems you would like to censor and control what voters in other states have decided.

Can you explain your preoccupation with what is happening in other states?

VoiceforAll

Old hugh and his polls, well done, you have proven you can repeat the democrats playbook word for word, maybe try putting some of your own thoughts into some of your replies. Like I have said to SoDakD as well, being able to think on your own like a republican, being able to make your own decisions like a republican, is a marvelous feeling, it's invigorating. You democrats should give it a try sometime, you don't need your party thinking for you, you don't need your party telling you what to say, what to do, when to do it and how to do it. For now we still have those choices, you see the first four letters in FREEDOM are FREE, not a coincidence, so, give it a try democrats, you don't need your government controlling each and every aspect of your life, you can do it on your own, I know you can. Old hugh, probably not, he's too far gone, but most of you, give it a shot, makes your life so much more enjoyable being able to think on your own. But then there is a catch, because once you start thinking on your own and you start seeing what your democratic party is actually doing to our country and to it's people, it can be depressing, but when you wake up, you will finally realize what's going on isn't right, and you will start deciding for yourselves, you will start making your own decisions, you can then decide what, if anything, you want to do about it, but, IT IS YOUR CHOICE, you don't have to do what the democrats tell you to do, so give it a shot.

BigSky57062

It is amusing watching Voice telling SoDakD that, “thinking freely is really something you should try.” When he and his Trumpster pals believe the Big Lie just because their dear leader says the election was stolen. Despite the voluminous and unanimous evidence to the contrary.

Voice, maybe you should try thinking for yourself instead of blindly following what the Party of Trump tells you to think?

“…give it shot and let us know what YOU think (because YOU can do that, YOU can let us know what YOU think, and not just what they tell you to think)”

Mr. T

Like Voice, I’m old enough to remember when one could express a view that some Americans found objectionable without having one's life threatened.

As I understand it, this letter was written because physicians are receiving death threats for performing surgeries that are perfectly legal.

And this is why The American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the Children’s Hospital Association all signed this letter to our U.S. Attorney.

They urged the administration to investigate the organizations, individuals, and entities that they see as coordinating and provoking outrage online directed at those providing controversial (but perfectly legal) services.

They wrote: “These attacks have not only made it difficult and dangerous for institutions and practices to provide care, they have also disrupted many other services to families seeking care.”

The letter claimed that medical personnel have faced “increased threats via social media” and that there was “elevated and justifiable fear among families, patients, and staff.””

Sadly this is our new reality. Teachers, poll workers, physicians, healthcare workers and many others regularly face death threats to themselves and their families for just doing their jobs.

Voice is right to decry this new “normal.”

However, I would respectfully disagree with him that this is only a problem with Democrats.

Everyone has the right to express their opinion. But they don’t have a right to threaten others with bodily harm.

Opposing these threats of violence is not “censorship.”

And those - whether they are figures in our media or our politicians - who use their public positions to call for violence or even hint that it would be justified should be held accountable.

VoiceforAll

And the democratic abuse of our children continues to grow - "Pediatric gender clinics across the country are promoting services to children who reject sex-based stereotypes. Pediatric gender clinics have popped up to meet the growing demand of children and adolescents who have adopted a transgender identity. At least 47 pediatric gender clinics, many at prominent children’s hospitals, have broadened the scope of their patient criteria to include not only transgender-identified children, but those they describe as “gender creative,” “gender diverse,” or “gender nonconforming.” Some of these programs see patients as young as two and three years old. Evidence currently indicates that roughly 60–90% of children who identify as transgender but do not socially or medically transition will no longer identify as transgender in adulthood." - Did you see that, some of these children are 2 or 3 years old, 2 or 3 years old, and these sick, sick individuals that are doing this to our children should be put in jail, this is child abuse. Do you really think a 2 year old can communicate this on their own, NO, it's an adult that is doing this for them, it's an adult that is wanting them to change, THIS IS CHILD ABUSE!!!!!!!!! And you wonder why democrats what this being talked about as soon as our children get into the school systems, because like the article says, evidence shows that 60 to 90% that don't socially or medically transition will not identify as transgender in adulthood. THIS IS WHEN THESE PEOPLE SHOULD BE MAKING THESE CHOICES, WHEN THEY ARE ADULTS, NOT WHEN THEY ARE 2 OR 3 OR 5 YEARS OLD!!!!!!!!!! For heaven's sake democrats, why can't you let our children be children, why can't you let them grow up without you grooming them, without you confusing them, leave our children alone!!!!!!!!!!!

TruthFairy605

Voice, it still puzzles me that you Republicans - who are supposed to believe in state’s rights - keep complaining about what you claim is happening in other states.

(I say “claim” because I think you're vastly overstating the reality.)

But let’s say - for the sake of continuing our dialogue - that what you say is true.

Even so, apparently this is NOT happening here in SD. Is it?

Your angst would make more sense if it were. Please, IS this happening here in South Dakota?

And can you explain your preoccupation with what is happening in other states? You haven’t made any claims that I know of that this is actually happening here.

But it seems you would like to censor and control what voters in other states have already decided.

VoiceforAll

As I have said before, Biden and the democrats will stop at nothing to destroy our worlds reliance on fossil fuels, and we are all going to pay the price because of it, Europe already is and it will happen in America too - "Columbia University economist Jeffrey Sachs made waves on Monday after arguing that the United States was responsible for destroying part of the Nord Stream pipeline system in Europe. During an appearance on Bloomberg TV, Sachs — who directs Columbia University’s Center for Sustainable Development — agreed with some Europeans who have suggested that the United States had the strongest motive to carry out the alleged attack. When asked to justify his assertion, Sachs claimed that radar data indicated that American military helicopters typically based in Gdansk, Poland, had been circling over the area. He also noted that President Joe Biden said days before the invasion that he would “bring an end” to Nord Stream 2 if Russian troops entered Ukraine. After the pipelines were destroyed, Secretary of State Antony Blinken called the phenomenon a “tremendous opportunity” to end European reliance on Russian energy. “That’s a strange way to talk if you’re worried about piracy on international infrastructure of vital significance,” Sachs said. “I know it runs counter to our narrative — you’re not allowed to say these things in the West — but the fact of the matter is all over the world when I talk to people, they think the U.S. did it. Even reporters on our papers that are involved tell me ‘Of course,’ but it doesn’t show up in our media.” - Biden said he would stop it, this is how. News organizations and people all over the world are saying the U.S. did it, not surprised CNN and MSNBC have not reported on it, but this is what Biden and the democrats are doing, they will stop at nothing to destroy anything they don't like or don't agree with. And the scary thing is, they have just begun, imagine what our world and nation would be like if they won in November, the gloves will come off and we will see things the like of which this world has yet to see, even after their first two years in office, think how bad it is now, the worst is yet to come if we are under their control.

Mr. T

Voice, I am aware that Putin says we did it. And Pro-Russian voices claim a US helicopter may have carried out this attack.

Sadly, some of the loudest among these voices are in our own national media.

We’ll probably never know who is responsible. But I think Russia has two clear motivations that make more sense than the US military doing the deed. And they are:

1️⃣Cutting off energy to Europe as winter approaches and 2️⃣ maybe more important, sending a message to the world that hundreds and hundreds of miles of other pipelines that might be used to substitute for Russian energy are impossible to defend and are easily attacked.

ClownsRus

Mr. T, no one has said it was the US Military.

How can you be so naïve?

Voice tells us “President Joe Biden said days before the invasion that he would “bring an end” to Nord Stream 2.” Doesn’t that tell you all you need to know about the Biden Crime Family?

A reliable source on Truth Social says that Hunter Biden was the saboteur ‼️

When the Republicans start their investigations after the midterms they should look for Hunter’s “smoking snorkel”

SoDakD

Voice, as I see you and Tucker Carlson actively promoting Russian propaganda, can I take this to mean you would advocate abandoning Ukraine even as they seem to be winning the war against Putin and the Russians?

You’ve been rather silent on this topic as of late.

PS Oh, how I long for the olden days when we could count on Republicans to stand together with us and oppose our foreign enemies.

Old Hugh

From THE INSIDER:

🔲The sabotage of gas pipelines were a 'warning shot' from Putin to the West, and should brace for more subterfuge, Russia experts warn🔲

“Russia watchers and intelligence experts say the ruptures were probably a product of Russian operations and designed to send a message to the West about Russia's still worrisome capabilities, while warning that Russian President Vladimir Putin is likely to order more acts of hybrid warfare as his forces struggle in Ukraine and Western countries continue to support Kyiv.

Former CIA Director John Brennan last Wednesday said that Russia is the "most likely suspect" and the apparent sabotage was meant to "signal to Europe that Russia could reach beyond Ukraine's borders."

TruthFairy605

As I think about it, Voice, your current preoccupation with gender policies in other states reminds me how quickly a hollow Republican commitment to “states rights” morphed the Supreme Court’s overturning of Roe v. Wade from “let the states decide” to “we need to have federal legislation outlawing abortion s services.”

This hypocritical threat to every American citizen's right to choose is playing out to be a political gift the right wing has given us.

Thank you very much for saying the quiet part out loud. And so soon after this momentous decision was made by our Christian Nationalist Supreme Court!

So in this vein let me encourage you Trumpsters to start campaigning for national “anti-LGTBQ” and “anti-grooming” legislation.

This seems to me to be part of conservatism’s relentless march into an uncertain future leaving the younger generation of Americans behind. 👋

VoiceforAll

Call it what you want Truth, your party finds it convenient to abuse the children in our society all under the lie of social justice, remember, you are the party that wants to kill babies while inside their mothers, that's the democrats that want to do that. Your party wants to tell 2 year old children that they are transgender or homosexual so they can begin their lives confused and struggle with just living ALL BEFORE BEING ALLOWED TO PICK OUT THEIR FAVORITE TOY TO PLAY WITH FIRST. Your party wants to make sure grown men have full access to women's bathrooms and locker rooms. Your party wants to insure men can compete with women in women's sports. IT'S YOUR PARTY DOING THIS, NOT REPUBLICANS. So do as you usually do, blame someone else, change the focus, call me anti-whatever, it is your party abusing our children in our society, republicans are fighting to protect them, your party fights to attack them, pretty simple if you ask most. So whatever lie it takes to make you sleep at night knowing you support a party that takes pleasure in abusing children, I guess you have to do it, the reality, like so many other things democrats do and say, is different, and this is probably the worse one your party is involved with amongst all the others. Sleep well Truth.

ClownsRus

I always find it amusing that Voice - who always rails against how hateful Democrats are - has the most hateful posts on this forum.

I think this is what Freud called “projection.”

VoiceforAll

Hey Truth, whacha think of this, tax payer funded, democrat supported Planned Parenthood - "Planned Parenthood Pimps Puberty Blockers In Cartoon Aimed At Kids - The ad, which comes amid numerous reports of schools attempting to help students hide their gender identities from their parents — concluded by suggesting that teens who still have questions should consider talking to a “trusted adult, doctor, or nurse.”" Cartoons for our children so they can start using drugs to stop their puberty, you good with that? Of course you are, because the democratic party is, so you have to be. I am not, republicans are not. And did you get the last line, trusted adult, doctor or nurse, no where did you see the term parent, why would that be Truth, why wouldn't you democrats want these children to talk to their PARENTS FIRST? It's because you think you own our children, and it's easier to groom them without parents being involved, right? Keep your blinders on Truth, but please stop abusing our children.

TruthFairy605

Voice, here’s nothing in that video that freaks me out the way it freaks you out. Did you watch it?

But there are young folks I know who would find its message reassuring.

I have friends in the LGBTQ community who’ve had a difficult time because their conservative, religious parents hate who they are.

American conservatism and old fashioned religion is losing younger generations who see these two entwined movements reject their friends and families.

And we see them working to have their politicians make discrimination against the LGBTQ community legal.

Your particularly venomous repetitions of this theme on this forum is emblematic of this generational shift.

But you're actually doing us a favor by reminding us that Justice Thomas warned us that the Supreme Court will soon enforce the right of the Christian religion to discriminate against any Americans they find unworthy.

And while they’re at it, they’ll take on gun law, climate law, and access to contraception.

None of this is popular with most younger Americans. Maybe a change will come at the ballot box sooner than we think. 🤞

But eventually our voices will be heard as you old folks and your hateful prejudices move on...

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